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	<title>Comments on: Plot creation -part 3-</title>
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		<title>By: cirellio</title>
		<link>http://5-rings.com/blog/2008/09/plot-creation-part-3/#comment-358</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is virtually a culmination of everything I&#039;ve been talking about since I started blogging here.

I&#039;m bravely putting plot ideas down, taking into consideration the world I&#039;ve built and the characters I&#039;ve created, carefully weighing the ideas so they gel together to create verisimilitude, and trying to stay true to what I&#039;d like to read most in a high fantasy novel.

I think I&#039;m gonna let this topic simmer a bit while I continue sorting out my files.
Let&#039;s pretend you have been collaborating on this story with me and I just presented you with these ideas.
What would you honestly say to these ideas if you knew your name would be side-by-side with mine on the book cover?
The doors are wide-open here for opinions.
If you don&#039;t say anything NOW, forever hold your peace :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:left; margin-right:35px; display:block;; width:40px' ><img alt='' src='http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/3b0ec3a9c1de69255fbeef7a1b5a3fad?s=40&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D40&amp;r=X' class='avatar avatar-40 photo' height='40' width='40' /></span>This post is virtually a culmination of everything I&#8217;ve been talking about since I started blogging here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m bravely putting plot ideas down, taking into consideration the world I&#8217;ve built and the characters I&#8217;ve created, carefully weighing the ideas so they gel together to create verisimilitude, and trying to stay true to what I&#8217;d like to read most in a high fantasy novel.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m gonna let this topic simmer a bit while I continue sorting out my files.<br />
Let&#8217;s pretend you have been collaborating on this story with me and I just presented you with these ideas.<br />
What would you honestly say to these ideas if you knew your name would be side-by-side with mine on the book cover?<br />
The doors are wide-open here for opinions.<br />
If you don&#8217;t say anything NOW, forever hold your peace :)</p>
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		<title>By: cirellio</title>
		<link>http://5-rings.com/blog/2008/09/plot-creation-part-3/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>cirellio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol... don&#039;t worry, Steph. The cycle will not be broken by the main character, nor will it be broken by Keanu. It may not even be broken by the end. ;)

Some of my favorite narratives use cycles. Immediately what comes to mind is the &lt;em&gt;Wheel of Time&lt;/em&gt;, where each Age is a full turn of the wheel and Rand is struggling to put a stop to the recurrance of the Dark One.

&lt;em&gt;Final Fantasy VIII&lt;/em&gt; had a cycle (spoiler),

where the powers of the witch are forever passed on to the matron.

&lt;em&gt;Final Fantasy X&lt;/em&gt; had a cycle, where Sin kept coming back, reborn after each Calm. The characters had to go through a lot to try and break that cycle.

I think cycle-breaking is a good goal to struggle for, because the heroes aren&#039;t just stopping a threat that&#039;s been around for a little while. They are fighting against something that has caused immeasurable suffering for countless generations. There&#039;s more at stake; they are avenging all past generations, rescuing the current generation, and saving the future generations all at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:left; margin-right:35px; display:block;; width:40px' ><img alt='' src='http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/3b0ec3a9c1de69255fbeef7a1b5a3fad?s=40&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D40&amp;r=X' class='avatar avatar-40 photo' height='40' width='40' /></span>lol&#8230; don&#8217;t worry, Steph. The cycle will not be broken by the main character, nor will it be broken by Keanu. It may not even be broken by the end. ;)</p>
<p>Some of my favorite narratives use cycles. Immediately what comes to mind is the <em>Wheel of Time</em>, where each Age is a full turn of the wheel and Rand is struggling to put a stop to the recurrance of the Dark One.</p>
<p><em>Final Fantasy VIII</em> had a cycle (spoiler),</p>
<p>where the powers of the witch are forever passed on to the matron.</p>
<p><em>Final Fantasy X</em> had a cycle, where Sin kept coming back, reborn after each Calm. The characters had to go through a lot to try and break that cycle.</p>
<p>I think cycle-breaking is a good goal to struggle for, because the heroes aren&#8217;t just stopping a threat that&#8217;s been around for a little while. They are fighting against something that has caused immeasurable suffering for countless generations. There&#8217;s more at stake; they are avenging all past generations, rescuing the current generation, and saving the future generations all at once.</p>
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		<title>By: steph</title>
		<link>http://5-rings.com/blog/2008/09/plot-creation-part-3/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the cycle be broken by THE ONE??

;)</description>
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<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: christopher.</title>
		<link>http://5-rings.com/blog/2008/09/plot-creation-part-3/#comment-355</link>
		<dc:creator>christopher.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How are they any worse than the main character? Maybe they’re not.&quot;

This really struck me. I&#039;ve always been intrigued by villains or antagonists that can easily fulfill roles as the protagonist in the story, complete with true motivations, which, in some cases, they believe is the &quot;right&quot; or &quot;just&quot; thing to do (because truth and justice are man-made ideals and are subject to relative interpretation, right?) for their misdeeds.</description>
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<p>This really struck me. I&#8217;ve always been intrigued by villains or antagonists that can easily fulfill roles as the protagonist in the story, complete with true motivations, which, in some cases, they believe is the &#8220;right&#8221; or &#8220;just&#8221; thing to do (because truth and justice are man-made ideals and are subject to relative interpretation, right?) for their misdeeds.</p>
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		<title>By: cirellio</title>
		<link>http://5-rings.com/blog/2008/09/plot-creation-part-3/#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>cirellio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback! I was hoping you could elaborate a bit on which parts of this are the most cliche so I can weigh them a bit on the scale of &#039;include/exclude&#039;.</description>
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